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George Kauper – Miami Real Estate Landscape has Evolved | Interview with George Kauper

Benjamin Sens, CEO of BOSS Construction Group, interview George Kauper, founder of Kauper Realty.

About George Kauper
George Kauper is founder for Kauper Realty and a real estate investor. Kauper has lived in Miami for over 30 years, and witnessed Miami’s landscape evolve. He used to work for a Fortune 500 company managing marketing communications for over 2,700 of their international reseller partners. Venegas International Group has been developing and maintaining relationships with investors in China, Europe and Latin America for a number of years. Kauper also runs a cigar lounge in Miami Beach called Casa Blanca Cigar Lounge.

Kauper Realty website
https://kauperrealty.com/

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Transcript

Benjamin Sens
Hi, everyone, this is Ben from balls construction, your South Florida permanent code compliance specialist, bringing you today an amazing interview with an amazing entrepreneur, George calper. Presented by reliable lean search. We’re having so much fun here today, George. Yes. I mean, you know, we met over a year ago, right. Over a year ago, I

George Kauper
think it was yes.

Benjamin Sens
And Erica, in it from Stewart introduced us, which was phenomenal. I want to give a shout out to her. And it was just fabulous. I mean, we we met in this neighborhood. Whoo, whoo. I’m not I’m not really familiar with, with the section that we meet in the section that we met, it will provide a photo of an aerial photograph for everyone. But what was so special about the Spring Hill area, or the Spring Hill community? Spring Garden?

George Kauper
Spring Garden? Yes, yes. Yes. So spring garden is a it’s an old Miami neighborhood. Developed probably over the late 1800s, early 1900s. I’m not familiar. This is right

Benjamin Sens
off the mind. River it is and I literally saw across the street. This guy had like a boathouse and look like a drug runner. Like it looked like one of those.

George Kauper
it’s it’s a it’s an amazing little neighborhood. Directly West, maybe, you know, a half a mile west of the American Airlines Arena. And it sits right on the Miami River. Very close to the the Marlins Stadium, very close to Jackson Brickell. So it sits in between all those areas, and identified a small apartment building that the family had owned since the 1930s. That they need a lot of work. It’s a five unit apartment building. And the reason I called you is because you know, Eric had mentioned you are the expert. So if we really needed to understand how it’s affected by flooding, how are there any impacts, potential negative impacts in the city, any kind of liens any kind of changes in the zoning that we need to know about? So that’s why I contacted you, by Erica had said you’re the best person which you were and you did all that research for me, which was very helpful. We’re renovating that building now. And actually it’s like almost it’s almost complex,

Benjamin Sens
phenomenal. And and then again, we’ll show the viewers this but you know, if you guys want to look on the screen, there’s a the block is like a triangle with five lots incredible opportunity. What a neighborhood to be. And you could be in Brikho in a minute. You could be at the arena and yeah, a minute and a half EDS is amazing. I mean, and you’re around $800,000 houses million dollar homes on the water.

George Kauper
Yeah. Which was so cool. So this purchase was a five unit apartment building for $695,000. That house the single family home next door is a million and a half. Wow. So it’s it’s a wonderful purchase for my client.

Benjamin Sens
How did you what, what brought you to that area? just you know, from from doing business in Miami or whatever? It’s

George Kauper
a great question. I, I live in Broward and I’ve been working in dade for 35 years. So I’m all over dade and Broward all the time. So for me I kind of see it as we when you’re when you’re sifting through the sand event, you’ll find that diamond

Benjamin Sens
Yeah, it just got hostile in here. Yeah,

George Kauper
these these really good deals will identify themselves. It’s just a matter of constantly looking and identifying it when it becomes available. So that was one of those deals. And the deal could be in Broward, it could be in debt, it could be anywhere at any time. It’s just a matter of having my eyes there and looking for it at you know, and identifying when it becomes

Benjamin Sens
available. And you’re always looking to bring property and areas to highest and best use some of these things are long term projects. You know, but again, the nice thing about the rental income property is the incomes there as well as the appreciation.

George Kauper
Absolutely that’s that’s a real winner. And they and it was a often it was a situation where there was a buyer. And maybe they were negotiating too hard. We don’t really know what the situation but they had fallen out. So I stepped in and got a fantastic price on it.

Benjamin Sens
So again, you know, Miami, I’ve heard about your background, again, from working in the fountain blue, to doing marketing to doing hospitality to doing everything now having the cigar bar, which is phenomenal. Yeah. I

mean,

how did all that stuff synthesize with each other? You’d like how did you build up to that?

George Kauper
It’s a good question. I I don’t know if I built up to it. I’ve always been like that. It’s all Yeah, I mean, I’ve started working at 14 and I worked at a friend of mines owned a bar very famous bar in Atlantic City, just south of Atlantic City. So I started working at 14 I’ve been working ever since. And even at a young age. When I first moved here I was working at the Barry university bookstore. I was working at the Bat club while I was going to high school and I was playing sports So I’ve always, I always get bored pretty easily. And I like doing a lot of different things. So I guess through my career, I moved from these different these different opportunities. Then I wanted to learn about exercising. So I started working at this spot, found blue and I became the manager there. Then when I turned 21, I wanted to learn more about the bar business. So I went to Ocean Drive. I started bartending right the day I turned 21 on actually drive. And then probably six months later, I partnered up with the owner of the hotel, and I we had a partnership in the bar there.

Benjamin Sens
So so you evolve and adapt to whatever it’s

George Kauper
always like that it’s always been like that for me and I just find it fun,

Benjamin Sens
ya know?

And how do you find how do you find that bridge connection over into, you know, promoting nightlife and real estate?

George Kauper
It just comes down to people,

Benjamin Sens
it comes down to relationships with people it does

George Kauper
it, that’s also Yeah, I really enjoy seeing what people’s experiences are, what they’re doing, how they are, what’s happening. And and even today, I’m connected to men. I guess I right now, I’m really looking at blockchain. Okay, the implementation of the blockchain is, is going to permeate all aspects of society, from logistics to cryptocurrencies to a lot of different things. So that is the future. Yes. Fascinating. The tobacco business is a great business. I have a lounge in South Beach next to Joe’s stone crabs. Yeah. And that particular business is a fantastic business that people who are in that business, from the farms, to the manufacturers, to the wholesalers to the retailers to the clients, it’s just an amazing business to be in. It’s where people enjoys, you know, developing relations, like less This is like lifestyle. This is a lifestyle. So again, they call it the Brotherhood of the leaf. Yeah, the BLT hour, so when people are smoking, you know, there’s a auto automatically called fancy, yeah, you know, where it’s nice,

Benjamin Sens
nice. And, and, you know, I mean, like, we were even at smoke on the water the other night with Steve. Steve. So we were doing our Korean, you know, coalition video. I mean, it’s, it’s, it’s just phenomenal how it brings everyone together.

George Kauper
It is. That was a special night. That was fantastic. Yeah. And then they they broadcasted on like, Good morning, South Korea. Yeah, television show. They’re real cool. At the election. That was really nice. It was,

Benjamin Sens
it was SBS. And it was actually, they were going to air it live the next day. So it was phenomenal. And they wanted to see you know, what’s going on in South Florida and let alone the United States and life here. And how people are transforming, and businesses are mitigating and all that kind of stuff. But again, at the end of the day, people are out there enjoying themselves safely. People are smoking cigars, you know, people are dining with their families. And it’s just amazing to see how that’s transformed.

George Kauper
Yeah, and even even just a little background on cigars, which I find really interesting. Sure, is for 3000 years, tobacco and sage has been a it’s been a medicinal plant that’s been used for 3000 years. So it makes me really like calm. And that’s and that’s what I why you

Benjamin Sens
said I wasn’t supposed to inhale the Java. Yeah,

you know, and that got me a little. You don’t want to

George Kauper
not be. Yeah, but

it tends to come, you know, men in their 30s to 50s or 60s. It’s a very stressful time with a lot. It’s a great way to relax. Yeah, no,

Benjamin Sens
I mean, I don’t have time to go out golfing for four hours. But you know, if I could, you know, get one of the wafers or the smaller cigars and enjoy and you know, talk with a friend that’s always good.

George Kauper
It’s always been there for thousands of years to break up the bad energy and relax and cool and creative meditation contemplation, that’s also it’s really it’s really nice. And it’s a great environment to for guys our age to just relax and talk about whatever we feel like talking about.

Benjamin Sens
That’s really cool. And what other areas do you see is opportunity or sorting out to I know you mentioned that. You You live in Broward and your resident. I grew up in South Broward, where our offices are, do you see any areas in Broward? That are like opportunity zones? Like

George Kauper
it’s you know, being here and you’ve been here so long? constantly seeing areas re gentrify? Yes.

Benjamin Sens
Shift, like I’m at the funky Buddha. And I’m like, wow, you know, yeah, this was Oakland Park. This was a warehouse district. But again, you’re seeing that well, manners area come together, particularly areas, you know, east of 95. And we’re

George Kauper
seeing the redevelopment go from not from east to west anymore, but from west to east. I also think and you’re really plugged into this, which is perfect is that I think some of the triggers to for these neighborhoods to change are when they change the zoning like they didn’t when would correct right. So when when the rules And they allow certain things in there. That’s really like the best time Yeah, identify properties to get involved with in different businesses and see how this is going to affect that neighborhood. And that’s where you really,

Benjamin Sens
it’s, it’s phenomenal. When I worked in Miami Gardens and in Weston, it’s all about the zoning and and the zoning is the city’s way of saying, Hey, we’re gonna allow this type of density, this type of parking, landscaping signage, yeah, you know, similar, we were talking about ethnic districts earlier. So things like things like that to create the environment in the neighborhood, my backgrounds in urban planning, but what was really interesting is that the city uses these policies to on the local level to enhance development, if

George Kauper
they are essential to that development,

Benjamin Sens
or like, for example, you know, they’ll come up with a CRA or a special taxing district, if they see, you know, the streets need to be cleaned, or a private security area needs to come in on Lincoln Road, or something like that, or you know, but it’s very interesting when you’re on these fringe areas. I was on 23rd and Biscayne the other day at a storage, and then I was across from me, meu and bunny cakes and Winwood, and all these places, but, you know, you see, you see the struggles that they’ve gone through, and that’s even before COVID you know, you see the people that live there got pushed out from under 195. And you see, and even my father in law, he had a sunglass store and the deco pelage they have a homeless issue. So where are these? Pete? You know, you have these like, 1600 dollar shoes, and you have this guy who is on some substance eating cookies and doughnuts, like the Cookie Monster laying on the floor. So but I mean, so all of these areas change and to keep things positive. I mean, we talked about these people, they’re relocating to other places, other states. Yeah. Other areas who who support, you know, yeah, not, I wouldn’t say who can support but who could sustain them. The South Florida has been this always ever evolving, changing, you know, no, you’re

George Kauper
reminding me of some things when I had the bar and Ocean Drive focus was 89. There was a meeting of like, 30 business leaders, Steve Musk, and some guys came in there into where my bar wasn’t downstairs, and they were talking about the incentives that they were going to give to the hotels to to revive Ocean Drive to redo the street, which they redid it, because when I was there was like Scarface. Okay, act like the movie. Yeah. So that meeting was about what can we do for the hotels to bring turn this into what it’s going to be Ocean Drive.

Benjamin Sens
These are alliances and like Coalition’s of people.

George Kauper
And it all comes from what you’re plugged into, is how would the city leaders getting together to create the incentives to redo an area? It happened wonderfully in wynwood. Yeah. And I’ve seen other areas and things go on, and my, it’s really always happening.

Benjamin Sens
It’s really phenomenal. I have a friend who works at Sylvester and us what they’ve done in the Marlins Park area, the civic center area, my grandfather used to have a restaurant across from the courthouse, Janet Reno would come in there, you know, so this area, I mean, through and they talk about, you know, what is the culture of your district going to be? How are you going to identify? How do we know we’re on us campus? Or? Or how do we know we’re on the hospital’s campus, through signage and businesses, and especially in the healthcare industry, people, again, people still need to come out of their facility, they don’t need to go in their car, they don’t need to go home, they still need a place to eat, you know, so a lot of these local businesses depend on those operations, which is been fabulous in the cities set forth policies to keep these things sustainable. And going. Yeah, meaning we can’t just you know, have no restaurants or anything for these people to go to you know,

George Kauper
yeah. And then that those are you know, that that going back to the spring garden community, it’s so clear, which is,

Benjamin Sens
which is it what is it half a mile to Jackson over

George Kauper
the record? Yeah, downtown. Phenomenal it’s, it’s, there’s many amazing neighborhoods that have all the fundamentals to be just a hub of activity. Yeah. And and it’s a normal that they go through these cycles, which are 3040 years, or whatever the cycles may be or longer, but their position perfectly for that success. So because it’s happening, and it’s great to it’s really fun. And when I when I did it when I was younger, and there’s different things I did and I didn’t even know that I was in that spot. Yeah. But now that I’m older, it’s exciting to see it happen again, it happens all over the place. It’s perfect to be involved. But and then now how I would look at it in the right way those

Benjamin Sens
those locate, it’s all about location and cluster. You know, I was in Key West the other week, it’s all about hey, are we gonna are we gonna have our store on the first block away from Mallory square off run street? Yeah, we’re going to be 10 blocks away. Yeah, you know, so I was talking a lot of business owners about the real estate going on there. And again, some of the real estate that we’re seeing the transactions that we’re seeing While the businesses might not be as active because the local government won’t allow a large cruise ship to come in, or cruise ships aren’t docking right now. These are tremendous real estate holdings.

George Kauper
Yes. Yeah. Which is phenomenal. Yeah. And, and and real estate is at least a 20 year game. You have to, you know, buy early by Ryan. And it takes time. And yes, people do get lucky. Yeah, like a wynwood neighborhood within just a couple years to see outrageous gains.

Benjamin Sens
But in general, outrageous. I mean, my grandfather had a 10 unit building somewhere in South Beach. I’m not sure my other grandfather was a developer. But the point is, you know, these efficiencies on South Beach, they’re seeing 2420 $300 annual rents. Yeah. With a window shaker and no washer dryer. Yeah.

George Kauper
So again, my, when I was early on down there, one of my friends his mother bought a I think it was like a 15 unit. apartment building on, let’s say, 11th in Meridian for $180,000. Yeah. And this is probably two and a half million. Yeah, 5 million today. You know,

Benjamin Sens
my dad was telling me I used to get his hair cut in the South Bay club, and I was just in that building with the open atrium. South Bay club.

That’s it just it’s just phenomenal.

George Kauper
A lot of fun to have that history.

Benjamin Sens
So you so you raised your family up in Broward? Yes, Yes, I

George Kauper
will. When I have two boys. How old are they? 15 and 19. Yeah. And when my first son was born, I was in South Beach and came up to Davy because when

Benjamin Sens
my first daughter was born, I was an avid turn. I’m like, I can only spend like one more year here is I need affordable housing in schools, you know?

George Kauper
Yeah. And dade and Broward is really like one big neighborhood for me. So it was great, you know, to come up here. The park is 118 acre park. And the sports are great. And the schools are wonderful. And this is a perfect place for to, for him to grow up. So now he’s 19. And, and it’s so easy to get to Miami. I’ve been from my house in Davie to the American Airlines Arena, and I had office at 900 this game for a long time. In 18 minutes. Wow. So it’s normally longer with traffic. Yeah, but that’s like that’s the short time. Yeah, I got there in 18 minutes. We

Benjamin Sens
like to get there. But it’s pretty quick. You in me? Yeah. It’s very easy to get, especially that 75 expansion. Yeah, so a lot of people use the I 75 expansion to get to the golden glades as opposed to taking, you know, everyone wants to stay. The 75

George Kauper
expansion is amazing. Yeah, it’s an amazing all Southwest Ranches is so easy to get around from Western. Yeah. And everywhere in Broward. This is very easy to travel. And what is the dream Miami? Yeah, the project is moving forward. No, ever gonna transform that area. I mean, Amazon just bought 77 acres in homestead. Wow. So for 22 million, it’s the this area dade and Broward counties is constantly evolving, constantly growing. The future is just as exciting. As as ever.

Benjamin Sens
You also mentioned, transportation and something that I learned about is transit oriented development, which is basically the thought that, you know, you’re going to be in a in a wynwood type of neighborhood, and they’re going to have the train. They’re going to have the transportation coming there. Yeah. Yeah. Which is phenomenal. Yeah. Whether it’s a, you know, any type of mass transportation, and from there the businesses in the residential form.

George Kauper
Yep. When they’re still talking about it. I remember, you know, in the beginning, there was a big,

Benjamin Sens
even the scooters that sit in the street there transportation to all these local policies, you know, all of these bikes.

George Kauper
Yeah, everything is fantastic. Yeah. And it is, and it’s always going on in the beginning, when they when they created the metro mover in downtown Miami. Yeah, they there was a big the first year they said, Well, we could everyone who uses it, we could have bought him a limousine to drive around, you know, for a year. Yeah. And have a private limousine for what we paid for this. nobody uses it. But it’s so essential to lay No, this is a long time ago. So now it’s so essential to the function now there. Now I just saw they’re talking about putting mass transit over to the beach. Yeah, adding that on. And then along with the bikes, the electric scooters, you can just swipe your credit card and jump on a scooter and go anywhere you want. Everything is so easy to get around that it’s safer. And it’s essential to the to the functioning of the city as

Benjamin Sens
well. I can’t wait to come back to the Casa Blanca. I you know, because again, I can’t enjoy a cigar. I can’t talk with friends on a zoom meeting. They’re just they’re just some things and you know, I mean, just being part of a social environment. That’s Yeah. tabulous

George Kauper
Yeah. And and it’s just an evolution. So when that’s ready to reopen or when that happens, we’ll see. And then, and I just, you know, I’m divinely directed. So whatever really comes next. Yeah, let that happen the way it’s supposed to happen and you’ll just fall into I don’t fight this isn’t too much that’s awesome. You know, it’s it’s there’s a natural adapt,

Benjamin Sens
and you

George Kauper
work with this and I like diversity, I like to do different things. It’s it’s interesting and where the opportunity is that’s really what attracts me

Benjamin Sens
some of you know, and I was just listening to NPR on the way here this morning, some people, you know, they worry about things that they can’t control or how things are going to adapt. And and they waste their cognitive energy using that. Some do and you adapt with it, and you have a positive spin on it. Yeah. And that’s what I gained out of this conversation. Like, I really, I really love hearing how you’ve adapt to different industries. Yeah, I have, because we share. We share South Broward we share real estate, we share a lot of different contacts, because yes, we you know, over the past couple years, we’ve seen each other and a lot of networking events. Yeah. So that’s pretty cool.

George Kauper
No, I agree with what you’re saying. I feel like fear in any shape, way or form is kind of toxic. Yeah. So any decision based out of fear is not going to really turn out very well. So it’s important to, to use whatever method you can to eliminate that. And just get back into the flow of the way things are happening and what’s happening and trust in the process. And let things happen naturally, it’s the best way to happiness way.

Benjamin Sens
Thank you so much, George, for coming out today. My name is Ben from balls construction. I’m here with George calper. George, I see you have a lot of Instagram followers, a lot of people on social media, how can people get in touch with you?

George Kauper
Anyway, you can find me on, you know, by phone or by email to get in touch with just you know, search, you

Benjamin Sens
always post pictures with, you know, a lot of influential, like really cool people in the community who come to the cigar bar, or come to outreach. So I always enjoy seeing that.

George Kauper
That is fun. That’s phenomenal. fortunate to have a lot of nice friends.

Benjamin Sens
And you have you have nice friends and you have an iPhone 12. Which which we are talking about the other day that has an amazing camera and your lighting. Yeah, I was taking pictures and video with my 10. And I’m like, wow, technology is

George Kauper
extraordinary. What’s happening?

Benjamin Sens
Well, you understand that? You don’t find it. You’re like, I got to get rid of my android here. Yeah, it’s because you see that your CRM and your business and you know, people are, you know, people want the thing that was interesting about the apple Android thing, which is half and half. And you know, it was very interesting to go on about that. And his people now Apple community, they’ve developed so many ways of communicating with each other, similar to FaceTime and sharing videos and sharing photographs. So I noticed when I was working with a lot of luxury real estate professionals and key people in the real estate community about three years ago, that’s when I had to make that switch to Yeah.

George Kauper
And and talking about technology. It’s the blockchain is Yeah, looking at it’s very complicated. I mean, it’s the it’s the foundation of what creates value.

Benjamin Sens
So you had mentioned to me that the blockchain is a ledger

George Kauper
data, that electronic distributed ledger

Benjamin Sens
that you cannot change, direct. And you can track anything with logistics, logistics,

George Kauper
importing, exporting, smart contracts, digital contracts. So you you’ll see a complicated real estate contract, eventually, they’ll have the infrastructure that that can all be done through, you know, electronic triggering of parts of that contract, fully executable contract, which is valid,

Benjamin Sens
and people can implement blockchain in applications that they build for their phone, different things like that, right. So that’s how it’s, that’s how it’s, uh, that’s one of that’s one of the ways it can be profitable, right?

George Kauper
It can be many different ways. And there’s other countries that have historically had great problems validating who owns what piece of land. So now property appraisers, right, like pretty appraisers like deeds. So now they can put those that information into the blockchain. And there’s going to be if government changes, or if there’s different kinds of turmoil, that, that record those records of that land, and that history will be there forever. So it’s, and this, this, the data is all over the world, you know, throughout any computers. So it’s

Benjamin Sens
mentioned to me something the other night, which I want to share with our viewers, and talk about kind of circling back, you had mentioned to me and I’m a big fan of democracy, and I’m so happy that everyone came out to vote. Yeah, so we’re very happy that, you know, the Governmental Affairs Director for nahrep, Fort Lauderdale, we try and encourage democracy and everyone to get out to vote. You had mentioned to me and I’m so fascinated by our precincts, our how the electoral college works with the with with the states and their Supervisor of Elections and the counties and and and you had mentioned to me, so such something so simple is like the blockchain or the ledger can be used to solicit Five things and make them transparent and make things uniform. Yeah, but one of the interesting things that, you know, just following the news is every state has their own election laws. Yeah. And but but the way things are governed, which is really interesting is that, you know, you have counties that are populated and unpopulated, you have precincts and you have the state Supervisor of Elections. And it kind of guarantees a transparent process. So I mean, even when I’m working with my CRM, I I love the fact that, you know, my system, Santiago, or I could log in with partners, and people could see real time what you’re working on in a cloud. But the problem is, you know, the data, the data in there, you don’t want the data to be manipulated. Yeah. You know, yeah. And like, like on the MLS, for example, we’re in real estate

George Kauper
with MLS is the most amazing system

Benjamin Sens
that it is, but in my opinion, it’s only as good as the people who put the information into it, it is a high level. So it’s a high level system. Core logic does an amazing, the Miami board, the Broward and Palm Beach boards, which we do a lot of education with, but it says all the information is accurate to be true or not warranted or something like that. Yeah. So I do a lot of education in the real estate communities. I see people, you know, agents posting things like illegal bathroom addition, or miss or doing a zoo, or they’re selling a commercial property, and they say, can be zoned for nine units, you know. So, again, while we can’t manipulate that data, I think, you know, anything that could be seen that’s what the that’s what the blockchain interests interested me so much. Yeah. Yeah.

George Kauper
And I think it’s, it’ll slowly I feel like when it comes to that, what is the use for present day? It is cryptocurrency and cryptocurrency is its its most, I guess, powerful application at the moment. Without the blockchain, cryptocurrency wouldn’t have any value. So it’s so it there’s, there’s so much to it. I mean, when it comes to that technology, and cryptocurrency in this, I feel like I live in Manhattan in 1901. And I can go out and buy real estate, there’s so much opportunity, it’s phenomenal. So it’s it’s incredible what what can happen. And that technology can be intimidating because it’s very complex. And you look at younger kids. And they, they, they have an open mind, and they absorb it. And they don’t get intimidated by the technology. They just play with it. Yeah, like a toy. So they’re able to learn very well. And I try and approach it that way. Because the the the opportunities in that area are just phenomenal. And what I got so I do mine, mining of cryptocurrency has gone from proof of work to proof of stake, which is having your computer create transactions or process transactions, and you get paid out in let’s say Bitcoin or another currency. Then there’s proof of stake where now you can fund into a pool and having that money there. You’re not actually you don’t have the computers in your in your house, wow. Or in an office or a warehouse somewhere that are churning all this electricity. And then you can earn cryptocurrency that way. So I look at the whole thing. And I say okay, well, let’s say proof of work where they’re very electric and heat and computer equipment intensive. The technology on the hardware side is going to accelerate. You know, there’s quantum computers coming out everything this is this is like To me it looks like a temporary thing. It’s almost like the compact disc. Yeah, it’s gonna go away. Because there’s the the tech, the hardware technology is accelerating. Well, their service so much at braska, handling all the event and that’s what’s happening now. And then the hardware is going to advance to a point where maybe those become a little bit obsolete, maybe not totally obsolete, but not what they’re doing today. So it may have a fest injury now it’s like sort of like a blockbuster. Okay, it’s gonna have a great window of opportunity, but it may go away. I don’t know. But I’m looking at those things and the opportunity is exciting.

Benjamin Sens
Well, George, again, thank you so much for coming.

Unknown Speaker
Thank you again.

Benjamin Sens
This is Ben from balls construction at the ball Show. I’m here with George calper amazing entrepreneur cigar aficionado is that I say that your real estate professional. Thank you so much for coming today. You can contact george will provide his information as well. And thank you, please Like our Facebook page, Boss construction group, open permanent code violation violation solutions. You can contact us at any time. This video an interview was presented by our partners at reliable lien search. And we hope you guys have a great and safe day. Thank you so much. Thank you

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